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	<description>An alternate history game of air fleet battles.</description>
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		<title>By: Liam St. Liam</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1890</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam St. Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought occurs to me: Planes as Patrol Torpedo boats as used by the U.S. against the Japanese in the Pacific in World War II.</description>
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		<title>By: Konteradmiral, K.u.K. Luftflotte</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1724</link>
		<dc:creator>Konteradmiral, K.u.K. Luftflotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Twas a post from Randall who mentioned the Type 5s and Type 0s, so believe me they&#039;re on the list (alas, Martian Tripods are still pending .... ;) ) 

In my mind anyway, the development of winged flyers will be kept more or less parallel to RL developments [i]at this point[/i] due to a balance between &quot;why bother&quot;, and &quot;they don&#039;t need electroid&quot;.

The important questions you need to ask are:
- what can a RL 1910 airplane do to a 10,000 ton electrical flyer?
- What can RL 1910 airplanes usefully do that a 10,000 ton electrical flyer can&#039;t do better?

(Note things like machine guns, aerial bombs, radios even parachutes lay well into the future in 1910)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Twas a post from Randall who mentioned the Type 5s and Type 0s, so believe me they&#8217;re on the list (alas, Martian Tripods are still pending &#8230;. <img src='http://monstersinthesky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) </p>
<p>In my mind anyway, the development of winged flyers will be kept more or less parallel to RL developments [i]at this point[/i] due to a balance between &#8220;why bother&#8221;, and &#8220;they don&#8217;t need electroid&#8221;.</p>
<p>The important questions you need to ask are:<br />
- what can a RL 1910 airplane do to a 10,000 ton electrical flyer?<br />
- What can RL 1910 airplanes usefully do that a 10,000 ton electrical flyer can&#8217;t do better?</p>
<p>(Note things like machine guns, aerial bombs, radios even parachutes lay well into the future in 1910)</p>
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		<title>By: Van Gogh</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Gogh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmm, yeah, seaplanes were indeed common on 1930&#039;s ships (and then quickly phased out during WW2). However, seeing that the first ever  take-off from a ship took place in 1910 (at anchor, not even moving), I don&#039;t think platforms for aircrafts will be more than extremely experimental in the current Leviathan era (as they were just before WW1).
But yes, there is potential; Argus is only 7 to 9 years in the &quot;future&quot;; Randall (or our dear Konteradmiral (k.u.K) ?) told us there was room for &quot;type 0&quot; fighter squadrons as an additional rule. But at the moment, not as a core rule.
Time will tell; I am currently happy with just battleships and cruisers, but I understand that YMMV... And what refrain you from homeruling planes ? The ruleset has a Creative Commons License, it&#039;s your right !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm, yeah, seaplanes were indeed common on 1930&#8217;s ships (and then quickly phased out during WW2). However, seeing that the first ever  take-off from a ship took place in 1910 (at anchor, not even moving), I don&#8217;t think platforms for aircrafts will be more than extremely experimental in the current Leviathan era (as they were just before WW1).<br />
But yes, there is potential; Argus is only 7 to 9 years in the &#8220;future&#8221;; Randall (or our dear Konteradmiral (k.u.K) ?) told us there was room for &#8220;type 0&#8243; fighter squadrons as an additional rule. But at the moment, not as a core rule.<br />
Time will tell; I am currently happy with just battleships and cruisers, but I understand that YMMV&#8230; And what refrain you from homeruling planes ? The ruleset has a Creative Commons License, it&#8217;s your right !</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Jones</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1690</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see many a photograph of ships at this time with single planes being carried onboard ships and used as spotters, experimental or exploratory. I am not sure how they were recovered, but I can see early heavier then air planes being part of the Leviathan Universe. The flip side would be that with all expenditure of the big nations being poured into Leviathans then the speed of development of Heavier then Air craft would be either stalled or minimal.

It would add an interesting tactical tool though and I am sure that  the developers would have thought of some of these issues, as well as counters. Perhaps the same technology that provides for torpedoes could be used in smaller craft, thus removing the heavier than air plane entirely.

The wait to see more of the rules for this game is becoming tangible. Do we have a publish date yet? Or even a forum ;) (I know you are skinning it as we speak, just thought I would provide some impetus).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see many a photograph of ships at this time with single planes being carried onboard ships and used as spotters, experimental or exploratory. I am not sure how they were recovered, but I can see early heavier then air planes being part of the Leviathan Universe. The flip side would be that with all expenditure of the big nations being poured into Leviathans then the speed of development of Heavier then Air craft would be either stalled or minimal.</p>
<p>It would add an interesting tactical tool though and I am sure that  the developers would have thought of some of these issues, as well as counters. Perhaps the same technology that provides for torpedoes could be used in smaller craft, thus removing the heavier than air plane entirely.</p>
<p>The wait to see more of the rules for this game is becoming tangible. Do we have a publish date yet? Or even a forum <img src='http://monstersinthesky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (I know you are skinning it as we speak, just thought I would provide some impetus).</p>
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		<title>By: Toolian</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Toolian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aircraft did serve in the 1st Balkan war (1912-1913)
Italio-Turkish War (1911-1912)
2nd Rif War 1909

Now planes were made of fabric, wood and piano wire (most of them any way). But keep in mind this is a universe with flying battleships. Writers can easily change history with aircraft.

To limit aircraft to their exact historical counter part as to the imagination of flying battleships is kind of flawed. Aircraft should be introduced in such a way similar to its historical counter part. See Billy Mitchell&#039;s project in 1921.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aircraft did serve in the 1st Balkan war (1912-1913)<br />
Italio-Turkish War (1911-1912)<br />
2nd Rif War 1909</p>
<p>Now planes were made of fabric, wood and piano wire (most of them any way). But keep in mind this is a universe with flying battleships. Writers can easily change history with aircraft.</p>
<p>To limit aircraft to their exact historical counter part as to the imagination of flying battleships is kind of flawed. Aircraft should be introduced in such a way similar to its historical counter part. See Billy Mitchell&#8217;s project in 1921.</p>
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		<title>By: Van Gogh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Van Gogh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;ve got time (both in-game and IRL) before airplanes and carriers make a usefull appearance in Leviathan: set in  1910, the state-of-the-art are the Bleriot XI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avion_Bleriot_XI_1909.jpg) and the Taube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpler_Taube). Good for thrill-searching excentric sportsmen, but no same man would want to go against a Krupps-armoured flying battleship in one of those flying fabric coffin.
    Perhaps later (time will tell)... but at the &quot;moment&quot;, destroyers, contre-torpilleurs, cruisers et al. reign supreme. And it&#039;s good ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;ve got time (both in-game and IRL) before airplanes and carriers make a usefull appearance in Leviathan: set in  1910, the state-of-the-art are the Bleriot XI (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avion_Bleriot_XI_1909.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avion_Bleriot_XI_1909.jpg</a>) and the Taube (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpler_Taube)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpler_Taube)</a>. Good for thrill-searching excentric sportsmen, but no same man would want to go against a Krupps-armoured flying battleship in one of those flying fabric coffin.<br />
    Perhaps later (time will tell)&#8230; but at the &#8220;moment&#8221;, destroyers, contre-torpilleurs, cruisers et al. reign supreme. And it&#8217;s good <img src='http://monstersinthesky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Toolian</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1681</link>
		<dc:creator>Toolian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, kind of interested how the game will handle carriers and aircraft.</description>
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		<title>By: Comedian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comedian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it is WW 1 all over again ?</description>
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		<title>By: blackbrunswicker</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1672</link>
		<dc:creator>blackbrunswicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed. I&#039;m really loving all the fiction. It&#039;s all very well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed. I&#8217;m really loving all the fiction. It&#8217;s all very well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Toolian</title>
		<link>http://monstersinthesky.com/2010/01/28/what-prices-paid_part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>Toolian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good stuff.</p>
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